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Civility and Free Speech


Russell Blackford
Russell Blackford
Talking Philosophy

Posted: Aug 6, 2012

There’s much discussion in the blogosphere at the moment about the merits of requiring charity and civility on comment threads. For example, Jerry Coyne has a post about his rules over here, while Daniel Fincke writes about his rules here. (Ed: IEET has its own Buddhist Right Speech policy)

Before I go on, I’m not necessarily endorsing everything in either post – though I think both are on the right track. Fincke makes some eccentric points, but they are marginal to this discussion. Suffice to say that both are mainly asking for charity (interpret what your interlocutors are saying in a way that takes their position at its strongest, rather than attributing to them a weak or extreme or untenable position) and civility (address interlocutors in reasonably non-hostile way, and concentrate more on disagreements with their ideas than on trying to make them feel hurt or angry … and thus withdraw or respond with rage).

(And I now see a similar comment policy announcement by Kylie Sturgess, though again I don’t necessarily endorse everything in it.)

Should we adopt an approach of asking commenters to be charitable and civil to each other? For myself, the answer is strongly Yes. That’s always been my general approach on my own blog, and one thing that makes me comfortable posting here at Talking Philosophy is that it’s the approach we take across the site.

An obvious objection is that this is somehow contrary to freedom of speech. Generally, I don’t think that’s so. I am about to draw heavily on my discussion of freedom of speech inFreedom of Religion and the Secular State, so go there for more (and to make me and my publisher happy if you actually buy a copy!).

Bear in mind that multiple justifications have been given for freedom of speech. On Liberty, Mill’s classic defense of political freedoms in general, is based essentially on self-actualisation arguments, but the bulk of its second chapter, entitled “Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion,” is devoted to a rather different justification of free speech that goes beyond freedom of expression as self-actualisation. If you refer to the chapter, you’ll see that Mill favors the freedom to develop and discuss ideas in the search for truth or understanding. This is very powerful as far as it goes, but inevitably it’s somewhat elitist (not always a bad thing!), for relatively little speech and expression in real-world societies appeals primarily to the intellect.

Still, the rationalist justification (as I call it in my various writings on the issue, including in Freedom of Religion and the Secular State) can be extended beyond the speech of academics, scientists and other intellectuals. To some extent, it merges with the self-actualization justification, insofar as it involves our individual need to pursue truth and understanding in our own ways, necessarily reliant on resources available through language. It also encourages us to protect serious literature and art, especially narrative forms such as prose fiction, theatre, and cinema, one function of which is to open minds by appeals to the imagination. The rationalist justification also merges with the democratic justification, insofar as debate about political ideas — with attempts to find the best kinds of political structures, principles, and policies — forms a large component of the general pursuit of truth in modern societies.

Fine so far – there are various synergies between the popular justifications of free speech (and perhaps no one justification covers all the speech that we’d want to defend). In arguing against unrestricted free speech, Alan Haworth suggests that Mill pictured society not as a marketplace of ideas, but as something like a large-scale academic seminar.

A seminar, of course, is an effective forum for refining and testing ideas only because its participants can rely upon tacit standards of conduct and interaction, including some degree of mutual respect. In past writings, however, I’ve emphasised that no entire society can operate like a seminar. If too much weight is given to Haworth’s point, free speech will be a far more narrow thing than is usually understood by the concept. It normally includes freedom for robust, sometimes even offensive, kinds of interaction that would be strongly inhibited, if not actually forbidden, in the confined/refined space of an academic seminar. It is usually accepted in liberal societies that there is a public interest in permitting debate that is not so restrictive of the parties involved.

This allows them to express themselves passionately, emotively, and loyally on subjects that arouse passion, emotions, and competing loyalties — all without fear of retaliation by state agencies, or of narrow constraints being imposed to preserve decorum. Further, it allows the participation of individuals, perhaps the majority, who may not have been socialized or trained to express themselves with the detachment and urbanity that might be expected in a seminar for, say, middle-aged philosophy professors. If freedom of speech is confined too closely to decorous speech, this is likely to disadvantage young people, working class people, and many other groups.

Fine, you say, so isn’t it contrary to freedom of speech if we insist at Talking Philosophy on commenters showing charity and civility to each other? No. Just because the larger society cannot, and should not, act like an academic seminar does not entail that an academic seminar should not act like an academic seminar! There are good reasons for academic seminars to act like academic seminars – it is just that we don’t want their standards to be applied by force across the entire society by means of the coercive power of the state.

This blog, Talking Philosophy, is not a seminar, but something of the same values apply. We are here to make some intellectual progress, and exactly the same justication that Mill relies on to argue for freedom of speech will apply to justify a local requirement that the speech concerned be charitable and civil – though pretty much fearless as to the substantive views put forward. And if you want to express yourself by insulting, misrepresenting, and strawmanning others, there are other places you can do it. The state generally allows you to do this, as I believe it should.

Of course, if you do go around insulting, misrepresenting, and strawmanning, adverse moral judgments might be made about you, but you won’t (and shouldn’t) be prevented from doing so by means of the coercive power of the state.

As a matter of fact, there is much to object to about insulting, misrepresenting, strawmanning, piling on, expressing rage, and so on. These tactics can be used, especially by people with large audiences, to bully ideas off the table. People can be intimidated into shutting up. Possibilities for mutual understanding and intellectual progress can be lost. A blog that encourages these behaviours – or where even the poster/blog owner engages in them – is open to criticism for damaging the general quality of discussion in our society. But that doesn’t mean I want heavy-handed laws to stop it from doing so. Criticising behaviour is not the same as calling for it to be banned.


Russell Blackford Ph.D. is a fellow of the IEET, an attorney, science fiction author and critic, philosopher, and public intellectual. Dr. Blackford serves as editor-in-chief of the IEET's Journal of Evolution and Technology. He lives in Newcastle, Australia, where he is a Conjoint Lecturer in the School of Humanities and Social Science at the University of Newcastle.
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Hear, hear; let’s stop bullying Chik-Fil-A and respect their freedoms of speech, religion, and market access.

Not every chicken-muncher has delineated the wrongness of action from the neutrality of inclination, but Cathy’s comments decried the former, and for staying on topic so excellently he ought to be lauded.





I regret not having the time to comment at length here. Since IEET adopted the Buddhisht-right-speech policy, I’ve intended to write an critical
article.. - This then, is only to give you an idea of my thinking.

Russell Blackford writes:

“Should we adopt an approach of asking commenters to be charitable and civil to each other? For myself, the answer is strongly Yes”

My own answer is an equally strong NO ! - In fact I strongly resent any “Committee for the promotion of virtue and the prevention of vice”, be it the religious police, as in Saudi Arabia, or “just” blog-moderators.

It is often emphasized how dangerous “hate-speech” is. I don’t agree, but suppose it is.. - What then, about SHAMING of people considered by said committee to be unworthy of the good, - and “right” company ? - Don’t we just drive them underground and fuel their frustrations and anger.. - Isn’t marginalisation dangerous ? -


Over and over I’ve heard repeated how we should cultivate “dialogue”, but what is it worth if you only want dialogues with people who more or less agree with you ? - To give just one example: Israel will not talk to / listen to Hamas, and vice verse. - I have written articles about Israel / Palestine myself, and the comments I cherish the most are from people who either get mad at me or disagree with me the most !

It depends, of course, on the subject. I mean, if you’re in the process of engineering, say, spaceships, you don’t want to waste your time with no-brains..

Russell Blackford points out that:

“If freedom of speech is confined too closely to decorous speech, this is likely to disadvantage young people, working class people, and many other groups”.

Absolutely, but in my view, it is even a disadvantage to ourselves - who knows right from wrong.. , - who are above the masses.., - who “knows” when free speech = careless talk.. - How can we know anyones true sentiments if we refuse to listen to them ? - Hint: When they become sick and tired of our shaming and start blowing up something - and/or someone…

Running out of time, but this should suffice to give you an idea of why I am completely out of line with IEET policy on “right” / acceptable speech.. -

There is noone I’d rather talk to than my worst adversary !





Re: Poster: “Free speech doesn’t mean careless talk”

“His got nothing on” ! - said the little boy about the Emperor.

“Careless” talk ?...





Joern, we here in America ought to have been less civil during the last decade concerning foreign relations (or lack thereof). We should have taken the Bush administration to task more vociferously for its dynastic ambitions, Abu Ghraib and everything else in between; the squeaky wheel does get the grease.

As Barry Goldwater said, “freedom means eternal vigilance”, the corollary is if we don’t come down hard on power-seekers they see it as a green light to do what they want—and many of them perceive no upper limit on their ambition, e.g. Nixon’s ‘Imperial Presidency’.
In religion and business one can be civil: in politics civility is not practical at this time. A politician who will be unnamed for civility-reasons insincerely promoted a kinder, gentler politics, ignoring how politics in America was designed in 1789 to not be kind and gentle.. the alternative is to change the Constitution- which doesn’t interest the politically sluggish public.





@Joern

I can follow your argumentation, but you know I have a utilitarian perspective on all matters of morality, and freedom of speech is no exception. This means that I treasure it to the extent, and only to the extent, that it improves overall welfare.

What I think we should avoid is a dialectic approach that starts from the conclusion we want to reach and then finds arguments to bolster it, since this leads mainly to a dialogue of the deaf. So I would like to ask you: do you broadly share my utilitarian preference, and if so, do you feel the quality of commenting at IEET has improved or deteriorated as a result of Right Speech? (I would be interested to know what others think about this as well.)

I’m not saying tht if commenting as improved that would be a conclusive argument, even within a utilitarian framework, in favour of it - that would be absurdly simplistic - but it has to be a relevant consideration if we are to have any kind of consequentialist perspective on this.





“(I would be interested to know what others think about this as well.)”

Yes, the quality of commenting at IEET has improved; Pete, its politeness.
BTW, civility depends on where, too—you can expect an ashram in a tony suburb of Copenhagen to be civil, but not the politics of a large country nor its business practices. I can see a half-century from now perhaps life might be civil however you can immediately realize how the old patterns of violence and confrontation are dying v. hard.





@Peter re ” I would be interested to know what others think about this as well.”

I must shamefully admit to feeling less inclined to discuss here since we implemented Right Speech, because I find heated debates more engaging than sedate ones. Also, I think the best friends are those who can liberally exchange the FYA words and remain good friends.





@Peter

I quite like your utilitarian approach, and I respect you a great deal and know you have the best of intentions. Generally speaking, however, I don’t trust any self-proclaimed committee for “overall welfare”. When people say: Freedom of speech, yes, but NO to “unnecessary”, “careless”, “rude” etc. utterings, - they are setting themselves up as the judge not only of what they themselves consider “careless”, etc., - (which I find wise and admirable) - but also the judge of what someone else may very well find essential, constructive, - and maybe even revolutionary. THAT is the problem.

I’ll give you one concrete example of a “committee for overall welfare” that I find.. shall we say.. really annoying. This “committee”, the Swedish umbrella trade organization (LO) is training 150.000 of it’s members - (larger than East-Germany’s Stasi) - to monitor people’s frustration over immigration policy, and anyone caught saying “racist things” will risk being excluded from the union. The consequence of this surveilance is that workers are afraid to exchange views with their colleagues and friends, but not only that: The Sweden Democrats, a nationalistic movement according to themselves, and far right according to the majority of Swedes, keeps climbing in the polls. In other words: The outcome is the opposite of what was intended.. -

“do you feel the quality of commenting at IEET has improved or deteriorated as a result of Right Speech”?

Sorry to say I’ve been rather absent lately - ( I mean to change that soon ) - so I’m not really qualified to give my opinion, but again: I’m deeply suspicious of “politeness”, so if Intomorrow’s evaluation is correct, I would not out of hand take that as an improvement..

Let me put it this way: If Buddhist-right-speech demands of Giulio that he, say, restricts himself in saying: >Joern, your ramblings amount to nothing but a pissing-contest< - that would be both boring and very unfortunate, as I would be prevented from explaining why I don’t see it that way. smile





@Joern @Giulio

Somewhat ironically, I’ve been commenting somewhat less frequently myself here since we introduced Right Speech. It does make one think twice. But just as politeness isn’t necessarily a significant indicator of overall quality, nor (in my view) is frequency. Another point is that there are plenty of fora in which we can air our views in whichever way we see fit.

I’ll probably write more about this later, possibly even an article from my current temporary-resident-in-Beijing perspective. Staying in China also changes one’s perspective on such matters. But gotta rush now to my Chinese class. Zài jiàn!





Wow Peter what are you doing in China? How long will you stay? Do tell!





@Giulio
Learning Chinese primarily (and pursuing potential business contacts/interests/ideas with my wife). Back in Europe late September.





For online discourse, wouldn’t a public, mod-points rating system let the forum decide how they want discourse conducted?  Slashdot.org executes this well, in my view, as I can browse at different levels of moderation filtering.  This is one arena where the democratic process shines brightest.





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