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Technological and Political Progressivism in Historical Buddhist Thought


Kris Notaro
By Kris Notaro
Historical Buddhism

Posted: May 28, 2010

An overview of the history of progressive politics and Buddhism written by Andrej Cvercko and edited by Kris Notaro.

Buddhism is one of the largest and oldest religions in the world, having been founded in approximately 500 BCE and currently possessing  the third largest number of adherents of any world belief system.  Over time, the fields of quantum mechanics, existentialism, phenomenology, and physics have all found parallels between their own theories and the theories of Buddhist thinkers throughout history.  In addition, many concepts in the field of therapy such as a focus on the present moment and the belief that much of the turmoil human beings face originates not from external stimuli but from our own anxieties and psychological baggage were written about again and again by both Siddhartha Gautama, the historical founder of Buddhism, and those who followed in his footsteps.

In addition to finding common grounds with transhumanists, scientists, philosophers, and therapists, Buddhism has long been engaged in the world of social activism.  Many of those engaged in activities pertaining to environmentalism, human rights, antiwar activism, and similar activities consider themselves Buddhist or ally themselves with its philosophy.  Many organizations, such as the Zen Peacemakers, the Buddhist Peace Fellowship, and Buddhist Global Relief are founded as both sanghas (Buddhist congregations) and politically and socially active groups . But this was not always the case. In fact, at various points in its history, Buddhism was not only unconcerned with improving the world, but actively discouraged working to improve living conditions on this planet. However as James Hughes points out in an interview by Tricycle: The Buddhist Review, future technology, in this case that of pills to help one understand and feel what it is like to be enlightened will radically change the frontier of Buddhist meditation.  James Hughes believes in improving the world and our minds with state of the art technology. “I sometimes describe the Buddhist Transhumanist project as a “Pure Land effort.” We want to build an environment that maximizes our capacity for spiritual growth and understanding, or, to use a more secular term, for more flourishing. Our effort would have a purpose different from simple self-gratification.”

Buddhism was founded in ancient India by Siddhartha Gautama, a young prince who traditionally left his family at the age of 28 to live the life of a traveling ascetic.  After years of studying Hinduism, the story goes, he meditated under a tree and achieved enlightenment.  As it would take several pages to even begin to define the term enlightenment, and as its definition is not the purpose of this paper, it is enough at this juncture to say that enlightenment in this context involves and certain understanding in to the way the universe works, and humanity’s ultimate place in it.  At first Siddhartha feared that no one would understand what he had just become aware of, and decided not to teach it at all.  However, he ultimately came to the conclusion that others were bound to comprehend what he had learned, and that even if only a few understood it, he still had an obligation to teach.  As we will see, both the feeling that other human beings will not understand and are therefore not worth the time, and that if there is a possibility for others to be helped by Buddhism that it is necessary for those following it to at least make an attempt to help, permeate Buddhist thought throughout history.

Early Buddhism was revolutionary due to the equality it believed that all human beings possessed. We will see this same way of thinking about equality amongst the posthuman as well.  The Hinduism that Buddhism derived from believed in a caste system, in which a person is born in to a social stratum and that this stratum is their lot in life.  There was no hope of raising one’s position in society, as one’s class was decided by how they had acted in previous lifetimes, and was ultimately ordained by the gods.  If a person wanted to move upwards in Hindu society, their best chance was to obey those of the castes above theirs in the hierarchy, and especially to obey the dictates of the Brahmins, the Hindu priest caste.  Buddhism held that every human being was equally capable of achieving the enlightenment that Siddhartha had, and that they did not require the Hindu caste of priests, or even the Hindu pantheon of deities, as intermediaries, to the point that his last words were “Be lamps unto yourselves. Work out your own salvation with diligence.”

Siddhartha’s philosophy was concerned on relieving suffering for humans and other forms of life, with metaphysics and beliefs in the spiritual being considered unimportant.  Famously, Siddhartha once said that someone who would not follow Buddhism until they were told what happens after death, whether deities exist, etc. was similar to “a man shot with an arrow who refuses to have the arrow removed until he is told who shot the arrow, what caste the archer came from, whether they were tall or short, old or young… Such a man would surely die before the arrow was removed.”  Because of its derivation from Hinduism, early Buddhism took for granted the existence of reincarnation and the Hindu pantheon, though neither is ever supported by the oldest records of what Siddhartha actually taught.

Though everyone was equally capable of enlightenment, women were not given equal footing time with men.  Though the way they were treated by early Buddhism was superior to their treatment in Hinduism, they were still second class members of the religion.  Traditionally, Siddhartha would not even allow women to ordain and become monks until convinced by one of his students.

After Siddhartha died, Buddhism evolved in to a set of schools that were later given the pejorative term “Hinayana” or “Lesser Vehicle” by their opponents, the “Mahayana” or “Greater Vehicle” schools. The only one that still exists is Theravada, or “The Teaching of the Elders”, Buddhism.  The aforementioned Buddhist Global Relief, which is primarily concerned with helping victims of natural disasters, and the Mind Body Awareness Project, a California group which attempts to use Buddhist meditation techniques and modern therapy to help recovering drug addicts, are affiliated with Theravada, and as a school it is predominantly present in Sri Lanka, Thailand, and   Malaysia.

The early, pre-Mahayana, schools kept Siddhartha’s focus on the here and now, without worrying about metaphysics.  They also followed a philosophy of compassion for all living things and strict sense of pacifism (Buddhism has a much shorter history of religious crusades than most every other organized religion as violence was (and is) never considered justified, even to “spread” or “defend” the faith; an idea which will surely be present with onset of human cognitive enhancement.)

Additionally, the early schools were very concerned with renunciation of the world and of its ways.  The world as it appears was considered transitory and illusory, and the primary concern was to achieve enlightenment or a good situation in an adherent’s next life. This created a general view being concerned with social injustice or improving the condition of living on Earth was considered at best a waste of time and at worst a distraction from tasks that actually mattered.

Though the early schools kept the focus away from metaphysical theorizing, they moved from the individualism and equality of “be lamps unto yourselves” to a sense that only ordained monks could attain enlightenment, and that the laity’s role was to support them and in doing this be reborn in their next life as someone with the type of mindset to be ordained.  Monks went through the streets every day begging, and in return ran schools and gave lectures on Buddhism.  In many southeastern Asian nations, Buddhist monks are still the primary teachers of young children.

The early schools of Buddhism, while engaged in social services such as education and in generally peaceful and progressive beliefs, was in general too renunciatory to on any large scale engage in social activism on the part of the monks, and relegated the laity to the position of simply praying and giving monks donations, as these were viewed as the practices most beneficial to a layperson.  Some Buddhists recognized this and, taking matters in to their own hands, created the foundations of the  Mahayana schools.

The Mahayana schools of Buddhism appeared sometime around the first century BCE.  They include every form of Buddhism that is not Theravada (such as Zen, Nichiren, Pure Land, Shin, and  Tantric Buddhism to give a small set of examples) and are currently predominantly present in central Asia.   The Mahayana schools began when new scriptures purporting to be the words of Siddhartha began circulating.  These works are today recognized as not being spoken by Siddhartha, but by later Buddhists. Despite this, Mahayana Buddhists around the world hold that since what these scriptures, or Sutras, say rings true, it does not matter who originally wrote or said them and continue to study, recite and follow what they contain.

The major difference between the Sutras and the earlier Suttas, is the concept of the Bodhisattva.  The Sutras hold that, out of compassion, some who are on the verge of enlightenment hold off on becoming full-fledged Buddhas because the rest of the life on Earth is still suffering.  These people, who are known as Bodhisattvas, vow to not become enlightened until every sentient being can become enlightened with them.  The Bodhisattvas are treated as spiritually powerful entities, who constantly reincarnate and guide their fellow humans towards enlightenment.  The Sutras also describe Buddhas other than Siddhartha.  These other Buddhas are enlightened men and women from the Earth’s past, or from other planes of existence or other planets.  These new Buddhas, and Siddhartha himself, are also elevated to a god-like status and held up as beings to pray to and worship.

The addition of Bodhisattvas to Buddhist thought gave power back to the laity.  Though many Bodhisattvas were monks in their previous lives, others reached their state while still being “house-holders”, men and women who lived normal lives and had families.  Enlightenment was once again open to everyone.  Furthermore, the ideal of holding off full enlightenment until the rest of life was ready to enter that state with you invigorated practitioners into a sense of compassion that the earlier schools only wrote of as a nice thing to try to do.  The pre-Mahayana schools were given their “lesser” status and some of the Sutras had Siddhartha disparaging the Hinayana schools as being for the “weak minded” and the “selfish”.

Mahayana brought a good deal of changes to Buddhism, some good and some less so.  The new, god-like Bodhisattvas and Buddhas caused many to decide that this world was not worth worrying about at all since if they prayed hard enough, they would be reborn in paradises.  In particular, Pure Land Buddhism, historically and currently one of the most popular Buddhist sects throughout Asia, focused on the Buddha Amitabha, a Buddha from the Larger Sutra of Immeasurable Life who created a heavenly dimension known as the Pure Land which a practitioner is guaranteed entry in to in their next lifetime, so long as they have faith in Amitabha.  This had the two effects: it allowed members of society who previously could not be Buddhists in good standing, such as soldiers, prostitutes, and butchers a sect which they could belong to, and at the same time caused many to decide that it didn’t matter how they acted when they were alive since Amitabha was going to save them regardless (famously, a group of Pure Land Buddhists became assassins in medieval China, setting out to prove the greatness of Amitabha by making their livings as killers and still hoping to enter the Pure Land).

This focus on the supernatural moved Buddhism away from its roots and, over time, lay people once again began for the most part to simply pray and to give donations to wandering monks. Some sects, such as Zen Buddhism, tried to move back to a more phenomenological ground.

Zen was founded around 520 CE by Bodhidharma, a monk who traveled from India to China to teach a stripped down version of Buddhism. To Bodhidharma, praying to Bodhisattvas and giving donations to monks did not result in enlightenment.  Meditating and living a good life were the paths he preached.    Helping the poor was not something to be done so that one would be reborn in a rich family, it was something one should do because then the poor were helped and this made the world a little better.

Hui-Neng, the sixth patriarch of Zen (638-713 CE), came from a less-than-ideal background. He was ethnically Lao, a minority in ancient China that was considered intellectually inferior to the predominant Han ethnicity. In addition, his father had been banished from the Imperial court, and Hui-Neng was raised in a rural mountain town, cutting firewood for a living and never learning how to read or write. In the one document based on his teachings (and the one Sutra that was never claimed to have been spoken by Siddhartha), Hui-Neng tells an audience this, and how despite being an illiterate from an ethnicity that most Chinese citizens looked down on, he achieved enlightenment because “Men know North and South, but the Dharma (teachings) does not.”  He also explains that, if people want, this world can be the Pure Land and, if it was, would be a more reachable one than that promised by Amitabha (“Ordinary, ignorant people, not realizing their own essential nature, do not recognize the Pure Land in their own bodies.”).  Despite all this, Zen was primarily practiced by monastics historically, and was once again more concerned with renouncing the world rather than attempting to improve it.

It is not until the beginning of the 20th century that sects of Buddhism become chiefly concerned with social activism.  An early step in this direction was the work of a Zen monk in China named Taixu or “Great Emptiness” (birth name: L? Pèilín )  Taixu wrote about what he called “Humanistic Buddhism”, which he contrasted with Buddhism that was primarily concerned with ghosts, reincarnation, and the supernatural.  One of his students, Hsing Yun (“Nebula”) has written many pamphlets on Humanistic Buddhism and still teaches about it to this day.

As Buddhism moved in to the 20th century, it adapted fairly well to the advances that history brought.  Though Japanese Buddhists supported the Axis powers in World War II, they have since apologized publicly whenever the issue is brought up and have made few attempts to hide what happened.  Buddhist leaders such as the Dalai Lama and Gudo Nishijima (the head of the largest Zen monastery in Japan) fully support advances in physics and biology, admitting when these sciences contradict their scriptures that the scientists are in all likelihood right, and writing extensively on the connections between science and Buddhism.  Socially conscious Buddhism, or “Engaged Buddhism” is a byproduct of this modernism and the Humanistic Buddhism of Taixu.

Engaged Buddhism, also known as Socially Engaged Buddhism, works to apply the pacifism, equity, compassion, and focus on community that Buddhism is clasically associated with on a global scale.  Some argue that it is Buddhism mixed with the Protestant Christian work ethic, though others feel that it is simply the natural evolution of what Siddhartha Gautama taught 2,500 years ago.

Thich Nhat Hanh (“Being in Touch With Here and Now”), a Zen Monk from Viet Nam, has spent most of his life working towards teaching pacifism throughout the world, and was nominated by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1967.  He founded a separate sect of Buddhism, the Order of Interbeing, in the 1960s which is devoted to social equity, environmental protection, and helping the victims of war.  He even rewrote the Buddhist Precepts, the closest Buddhists have to a “Ten Commandments”, to be more in touch with the issues we are presented with in the modern world.

Noah Levine is another modern Buddhist who has worked in the general school of Engaged Buddhism.  He is a former crack addict and juvenile delinquent who now is the primary spiritual teacher of the “Dharma Punx” sangha. Levine, through his books Dharma Punx and Against the Stream: A Buddhist Manual for Spiritual Revolutionaries and through his work traveling to prisons, juvenile halls, and Buddhist temples, has tried to introduce a form of Buddhism that he hopes can reach at-risk youth, a position that someday should play a part in technoprogressivist philosophy.  His friend, and another recovering addict, Vinnie Ferarro, heads the Mind Body Awareness Project which the two founded together.

Many other Buddhist teachers, such as Bernie Glassman, Bhikkhu Bodhi, Jack Kornfield, Sheng Yen, and James Ford work in the purview of Engaged Buddhism.  In many ways, it is similar to the Bodhisattva ideal of the early Mahayana sutras, men and women working to bring the world closer to enlightenment with each passing day.  The idea of “transcending” what it is to be human is at the forefront transhumanist philosophy.  As George Dvorsky also points out:

[Buddhism] is an epistemological philosophy and an intrapersonal approach to perception, self-awareness and self-regulation. It’s an aesthetic. It’s a non-anthropocentric ethical viewpoint that places an emphasis on meaningful, compassionate and genuine relationships. It’s a type of Humanism. It encourages meditation and a mindful approach to living. It’s a worldview and methodology that promotes skepticism, rationality, empiricism and even non-conformity. It is the practical acknowledgment of the unavoidable perceptual subjectivity that is part of the human condition. It is the recognition that the mind matters and that conscious awareness can and should be optimized.

Since its inception Buddhism has changed a great deal.  However, throughout its history, it has always been concerned with improving the lives of those it encounters.  Much of the time, it did not even require one to convert to Buddhism for Buddhists to attempt to help,  and its strong lack of dogmatism has helped it adapt to the needs of modern society.  Whether the coming years will see Buddhists work more towards establishing a Pure Land here and now, or whether they will see a retreat once again to monasteries and to attempting to avoid the world’s problems, it is clear that the history of social activism in Buddhism is a long and checkered one, and a history which will have new chapters added to it, for example its impact on transhumanism as the “religion”  continues to influence sentient beings whether they are human or cyborg.


Kris Notaro, a former IEET intern, now the IEET's Managing Director, earned his BS in Philosophy from Charter Oak State College in Connecticut. He is currently the Bertrand Russell Society’s Vice-President for Website Technology. He has worked with the Bertrand Russell A/V Project at Central Connecticut State University, producing multimedia materials related to philosophy and ethics for classroom use. His major passions are in the technological advances in the areas of neuroscience, consciousness, brain, and mind.
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OK.. Apologies if this is a bit long, this comment did start off much shorter than this..

Buddhism like most other eastern philosophical traditions is highly complex, and fragmented by the evolution of different schools and debates concerning details of doctrine. So there will always be conflicting stories and details between Buddhist schools and thought.

However, as the story goes Buddha did not leave his stately family and livelihood to study Hinduism? The Buddha himself was born and raised as a Shaivite Hindu, (worship of Shiva or Siva), and left to study Jainism, and it is said that it was in fact Jains who taught the Buddha advanced techniques in meditation, (although he eventually turned aside from asceticism and Jainism).

Jainism still flourishes in India, yet the numbers are so small it is no longer officially recognised as a religion in India. It is also said that the Jainism philosophy was key in promoting veganism and non-harm, (in sacrificial rites), towards all animals throughout the Hindu religion, and is thus most likely responsible for the large numbers of vegans in India today?

All the key players, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism support beliefs in reincarnation or rebirth, although the Buddhist view aligns itself with the persistence of potential (of mind) rather than the transmigration of souls, (as my own understanding of Buddhism goes).

All the key players therefore support Karma, and the understanding of causality to promote peace and harmony, non-harm and non-violence towards all life, (“we reap what we sow” in this lifetime). Another way to view this wise philosophy towards existence is that if there is no other life, then so be it, at least you have done your very best to lead a more peaceful, compassionate and less self-centred existence. (One may frown upon the Hindu caste system, yet look more deeply at the philosophy which guides individuals towards acceptance of fate. Outdated, repressive, and unfair maybe, yet a peaceful way to guide a “mass” population towards harmony and co-existence)?

Despite all these complexities and details and debates concerning different doctrines and schools within Buddhism, the fundamentals of the understanding of “Self” and thus of connectedness with the aims to promote peace and harmony, compassion and non-aggression are all key. Buddhism like all other schools becomes more and more complex by the day, and this is why many see it as a complex religion with worshipers, yet it is more precisely a philosophy, and a simple one at that.

Unfortunately these debates and details confuse us all, and even the different schools themselves. And agreed there appears to be much activism associated with Buddhism, which to my own understandings has nothing whatsoever to do with the ideas of the Buddha. This I feel is the “ugly” side of Buddhism, which is also heavily associated with its atheism, (by theists). Why do humans take an ideal and split it, and fragment it, and divide it, and argue regarding its meanings? Why are we not content to embrace the unity and the original meanings and message of this wise and peaceful philosophy?

Q: Can you embrace the philosophical ideals of Buddhism towards compassion and the elimination of suffering and still follow your own faith and belief in your God?

Q: Is the fundamental Buddhist philosophy incompatible with your present religious belief system?

Q: Do you need to be an Atheist or even label yourself as Buddhist to embrace Buddhist values?

I would say that Buddhism and monotheism are no less incompatible than transhumanism and monotheism what do you think?

All Mahayana schools give Theravada a bad time, although it was the original incarnation of the philosophy directly from the mouth of the Buddha. Yes it is supposedly more selfish and frowned upon by Mahayana, yet this is precisely the fundamental understanding, that it is “Self” effort, that leads to “Self” understanding, and that you cannot possibly help others without helping your “Self” first. It is grounded in existentialism and taking personal responsibility for your life, for your actions. For this reason one may view the Mahayana schools as more charitable and even align them more with Christian and Samaritan values. And their views towards Universalism appear almost Gnostic in tendency?

Yet to make the world a better place we do not need to promote “selflessness” and charity. We need to dispense with “Self-ishness” and the promotion of “Self” over and above others. There is a subtle difference here, and I hope you can see it? “Self” understanding is still the key that will help us all evolve our philosophy and spirituality to a higher level of connectedness and compassion and peaceful co-existence, (towards all life, even towards ETs).

>> http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index.html (free website containing over a 1,000 suttas : Theravada Buddhism)
>> http://www.buddhanet.net/ (global Buddhist website)





I see no reason why basic Buddhist ethics is not compatible with modern agnosticism and atheism. 

@ CygnusX1 You said perfectly, that Buddhism can help bring minds “to a higher level of connectedness and compassion and peaceful co-existence”. I completely agree with that, in fact that is one of the main reasons why Buddhism can be so compatible with other religions, including agnosticism and atheism.





A great read about “selflessness” is The Ego Tunnel: The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self by Thomas Metzinger, please check it out if you have the time.

http://www.amazon.com/Ego-Tunnel-Science-Mind-Myth/dp/0465020690/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1





I am very interested in this entire line of thinking. It is so different from the type of “religion” that I have experienced. In my previous experiences, individuals seemed to focus on the impression they were giving to others. The general theme that I understand from meditation and self-awareness is that by choosing the right path for ourselves, in even the smallest of events, we have the ability to make a positive impact on our surroundings. My self-awareness makes me more aware of what is around me. But I really don’t think I know enough to comment…I was just so drawn to say something. Thank you for the article.





@ Kris.. thanks for your comment

I feel the pursuit of “Self” understanding and the realisation of connectedness is multi-layered, ranging from the purely cultural and social, to the material, (atoms and energies), and through to the more sublime realms of mind and language/communication/empathy and to consciousness. And I believe there are many roads and paths that lead to enlightenment regarding the understanding of “Self” and identity. This would include the use of science, psychology and neuroscience, as well as philosophies like Buddhism and Hinduism.

Yet we can all use Buddhist ethics everyday and practise mindfulness and the middle way to maintain good Karma. It is a universal philosophy that guides to compassion and personal responsibility, and one which is understood by many religions, although sometimes these other religions focus upon the more negative aspect of condemnation and punishments for sins, rather than the continual mindfulness which promotes good karma.

Whether one chooses the path of Buddhism or not is a personal choice, yet for most of us in the West we cannot cast aside our personal lives and responsibilities to pursue the life of the ascetic, so we have to work these great philosophies into our everyday lives. As long as we accept them at face value, we can put these ancient philosophies to good use, and they may even prove to be more beneficial as our future towards techno-progressiveness and transhumanism unfolds?


@ Paige.. Your views sound correct to me, why do you not feel qualified to comment further?


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@Cygnusx1: One of the first things that attracted me to the philosophy of Buddhism is that is it neither theistic or atheistic, as famously it’s claimed that the historical Buddha stated several times throughout his life that it did not matter whether or not the gods existed since sentient beings were suffering regardless.  Due to this, Buddhists range from the atheistic, such as Stephen Batchelor, to Christians who mix their faith with Buddhism (such as James Ford), to people who practice mindfulness based meditation practices without using the label of Buddhist at all.  A person’s metaphysical beliefs are up to them, and have no bearing on the ability to practice Buddhist techniques or find wisdom in its philosophy.

@Paige: Buddhism, while different from western religions in many ways, also has shares some of the negative qualities that have been perceived in said religions in that there have been periods and sects in its history in which Buddhists acted in very dogmatic and exclusionary ways.  I think one of the main differences is Buddhism’s willingness to adapt itself to the culture and time it is present in. For example, many traditional Buddhist schools were against homosexuality historically, but have formally changed this stance in the 20th and 21st centuries.





I have entirely followed the footprint of Somdech Maha Ghosanada who were named as the Ghandi of Cambodia. Once, he taught that “when individual has peace, family has peace, community has peace, nation has peace and the world has peace, hierarchically.” In reality, Buddhism is neither a philosophy nor religion (this word is rooted in theism). Buddhism is spiritually embedded in wisdom searching. Many other faith emphasis on belief (monotheism or polytheism), but Buddhist teaching stresses on insight and compassion of the interconnected things. Hence, if someone asked what Buddhists are believing? - they are believing in humanism. Buddhists are skeptical on the belief that if human beings don’t create gods(gods), who will create gods(god)?

But the disadvantage of Buddhism might rest on its subtle teaching on Self which has sometime deviated practitioners from its commitment. Self-centred teaching and taming is psychologically contradicting to fantasy-nature of human behavior. Easy-going and easy-receiving perception is deeply embedded in each of us. Buddha didn’t encourage his disciples to easily embrace or adhere to such natural feeling, but to triumphantly search for sublime truth (final realization).

I can assure that the teaching of “self” is not that complicate. For instance, the understanding of four elements: earth, wind, fire and water or the compound of six senses etc, are simple. Further more, these elements are gradually changeable, decayable and non-substantial. These three common characteristics lie within all aspects of living being. When people realize this simplicity of life, self-ego or self-centred will be gradually eradicated; and the effort to work hard in order to bring concerted success to family, community, nation and the world will be increased.

Thanks for reading this…I have to go now and see you next time…





@Cygnusx1 ... I am just new to listening to what is inside of me. I know what thoughts are in my mind, just not really how to talk about it with others. It is hard to shake off a life of doing what others have imprinted on me. Your comments are very informative. It is good to hear the thoughts of others.

@Andrej…your reference to how people apply Buddhist techniques to their own lives is interesting. I somehow stumbled into meditation without knowing how I arrived there. I think the over-stimulation of my environment led me to seek out quiet spaces. That, in turn, led me to a yoga practice. I usually am greeted with a blank stare when I try to talk about any of this with friends/family.





@Sophan: I agree that Buddhism is neither inherently a philosophy or religion, and that concepts of a self have crept in to it over the course of time despite that concept of anatta or “no-self” being a core part of its beliefs. I think the best explanation I have heard of self and reincarnation in Buddhist thought is the classic idea of a candle being used to light another candle, after which the two flames on the two candles are not the same flame but are intimately connected.

@Paige: Blank stares are par for the course really.  The important part is how your yoga\meditation practice makes you feel.





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