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Why I Hope Conservatives Will Fight Gay Marriage Tooth and Nail Till Their Teeth and Nails Fall Out

Valerie Tarico

Away Point

October 31, 2012

With marriage equality battles in front of the voters in four states, the faithful are out in flocks to defend traditional matrimony. I don’t know exactly what traditional means in this context. It certainly doesn’t mean biblical, or it would include captive virgins and sex slaves and fathering children for your deceased brothers. It certainly doesn’t mean Mitt Romney’s version of traditional, since his great grandfather had five wives and his great-great grandfather had twelve.


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Posted by Intomorrow  on  10/31  at  03:59 PM

Defense of marriage-types and focusers on the family do not care about others’ marriages and families—deep down they only actually care about their own marriages and families.
I don’t oppose Christianity, but am not happy about it: since agape love is scarcer than hen’s teeth I can’t be too enthusiastic about Christianity. There are many traditions we retain because we don’t know what life would be like without them however such doesn’t mean we are obliged to believe in those traditions. Because one tolerates/accepts Halloween doesn’t mean one has to enjoy Halloween, one doesn’t have to think there is any significance to Halloween. One can tolerate/accept Christmas yet not have to be considered an Ebenezer Scrooge because one thinks the jolly may be missing from the holly—because one thinks Christmas contains little or none of the love deriving from Jesus it purportedly does. One can accept or at least tolerate the pro forma without being enthusiastic about it.

Posted by contraterrine  on  11/08  at  06:57 PM

The hypocrisy of the american conservative cultural warriors and pilicicians is astounding.

And as for the bible-bashers, if they read it they would find that biblical marriage includes incest and rape, so enough said there.

Pot, meet kettle, oh, and did you hear about the colour black?

And finally, I think it’s great that LBGQT… people wed too, so they can experience the hell of divorce and family court like the rest of us poor unfortunates.

Posted by Intomorrow  on  11/08  at  11:32 PM

Even I’m more optimistic than that. Divorce isn’t always hell, contraterrine, sometimes it is a great relief. And if one is in a group marriage, which is possible, then there may be little difficulty—if any. Don’t reply, just ask yourself a question: do you want to be as on-off negative as Intomorrow? Likely, the answer is no.

What bothers me more than anything is how the world belongs to the wealthy, it is their private possession—this is not cynical, it is fact. But my rationalisation is, if it wasn’t them it would be others who would be worse.


Posted by Intomorrow  on  12/09  at  09:30 PM

While Supreme Court watchers ponder how justices will come down in the debate over gay marriage, ABC’s George Will said Sunday on ABC News ” This Week” it’s clear where public opinion is headed.
“There is something like an emerging consensus,” Will said, noting voters in three states recently endorsed same-sex marriage initiatives. “Quite literally, the opposition to gay marriage is dying. It’s old people.”
Democratic strategist James Carville agreed the 2012 election marked a “profound” shift on the controversial issue.
“Look in Salt Lake City, the 12 Apostles. The Mormon Church after the election says, well, ‘Maybe we’re going to change our position on homosexuality is a choice. You’re not born that way,’” he said. “I mean, the effects of an election reverberate all the way through society.”
On the table is a case challenging Proposition 8, the hot-button 2008 California ballot measure restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples. The Court will also hear a challenge to a provision of the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defines marriage as between a man and a woman.
New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said the Court’s decision to take on gay marriage could have a major impact on upcoming elections.
“It’s actually a positive [for Democrats],” Krugman said. “This is a significant bloc of voters that will make a decision based on which party they see as being favorable to equal rights.”
But Republican strategist Mary Matalin said there are other issues at play.
“There are important constitutional, biological, theological, ontological questions relative to homosexual marriage, but people who live in the real world say the greatest threat to civil order is heterosexuals who don’t get married and are making babies,” Matalin said.
“That’s an epidemic in crisis proportions. That is irrefutably more problematic for our culture than homosexuals getting married,” she added.
Currently, gay marriage is legal in just nine states and in the District of Columbia - but polls suggest support is growing. A recent ABC News-Washington Post poll found 51 percent of Americans support gay marriage, while a recent Pew poll shows national support at 48 percent - up from 35 percent in 2001.
“To me, the consensus has already emerged on this issue,” said ABC News’ Matthew Dowd. “It’s just a question of … is the Supreme Court going to catch up and follow that wind of the pack, or get ahead of it or put a block in the path of it?”

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