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Is Net Neutrality Really a “Lose-Lose?” (Marc Andreessen says so)
Jon Perry   Jun 1, 2014   The Decline of Scarcity  

Tyler Cowen points to this great Marc Andreessen interview in the Washington Post that features him saying the following about net neutrality: So, I think the net neutrality issue is very difficult. I think it’s a lose-lose. It’s a good idea in theory because it basically appeals to this very powerful idea of permissionless innovation. But at the same time, I think that a pure net neutrality view is difficult to sustain if you also want to have continued investment in broadband networks.

(By Ted Kupper: IEET published by Jon Perry)

If you’re a large telco right now, you spend on the order of $20 billion a year on capex. You need to know how you’re going to get a return on that investment. If you have these pure net neutrality rules where you can never charge a company like Netflix anything, you’re not ever going to get a return on continued network investment — which means you’ll stop investing in the network. And I would not want to be sitting here 10 or 20 years from now with the same broadband speeds we’re getting today. So the challenge, I think, is to accommodate both of those goals, which is a very difficult thing to do. And I don’t envy the FCC and the complexity of what they’re trying to do.

The ultimate answer would be if you had three or four or five broadband providers to every house. And I think you actually have the potential for that depending on how things play out from here. You’ve got the cable companies; you’ve got the telcos. Google Fiber is expanding very fast, and I think it’s going to be a very serious nationwide and maybe ultimately worldwide effort. I think that’s going to be a much bigger scale in five years.

So, you can imagine a world in which there are five competitors to every home for broadband: telcos, cable, Google Fiber, mobile carriers and unlicensed spectrum. In that world, net neutrality is a much less central issue, because if you’ve got competition, if one of your providers started to screw with you, you’d just switch to another one of your providers.

​This covers I think the central concern very well, though it’s surprising to me that Andreessen acts as if there’s no way to reconcile the twin goals of ensuring the investors in infrastructure can make a return and ensuring the infrastructure they build will be designed according to rules that serve the public interest. Of course there is  – government subsidy. This is not a new idea. It’s been used in the past to build railroads, the phone network, etc.

If Comcast and Verizon (and Google and anyone else with a credible plan to build) gets $15 billion a year (say) in subsidies to build out a neutral network infrastructure, what’s the problem? Investors are now only in the hole $5 billion a year instead of $20 billion so they are much more likely to be able to make a reasonable return, society gets faster network speeds and permissionless innovation (such as the kind that allowed Andreessen to create one of the first web browsers, Mosaic, and to market it as Netscape, back before he became a VC). This seems to me like a “win-win.”

Further, Andreessen neglects to mention the best reason for network neutrality: it’s a better network design. It’s hard to anticipate all future uses of a given network. The phone network was originally designed for voice and yet it gave rise to the consumer internet; cable was originally designed for television but it’s now being repurposed for data usage. We don’t know if today’s heavy traffic users (i.e. streaming video) are going to be anything like tomorrow’s, so it’s better to build a network that can handle any type of data, rather than optimizing the network for particular uses which may not be as important as we assume.

For a more in depth look at the complex issue of net neutrality, check out our recent Review the Future podcast, What is the Future of Net Neutrality?


I still don’t understand why ISPs can’t bundle the costs of maintaining their infrastructure into their subscription rates. They just need to make sure that their peers can get all requested packets back to their customers. Netflix is paying its peers for the bits it sends and consumes. Some ISPs aren’t. They are giving their customers less service than they expect, and the only reason they can do it is because there is insufficient competition.

The situation is not a lose-lose as DSL companies currently earn a meaty 50%+ profit on what are considered really sub-par internet speeds. Choking it down any further just to maintain the prices is just plain greedy.

Lets not forget that the only motive behind killing net neutrality is to benefit these companies. That is why the appointed FCC chairman was the same guy who used to lobby for them. SOURCE:

This is exactly why all utility class services that society desires needs to be nationalized and maintained at a non-profit status.

There is this idea that for innovation to proceed, that profit but be made but not all profit is equal.

There is profit made from labor, and then there is profit made from investment.

I am all for paying people high wages if they actually do something, but I could not care less if a wealth person makes a penny off of investments.

People are going to innovate. They do it no matter what circumstances are. The renaissance came about more or less because of necessity after the dark ages nearly destroyed civilization. Nobody really profited from the discoveries during the renaissance in the way profit is made today. Quality of life did increase greatly and so did labor wages.

All things that are essential to quality of life and the advancement of our society should be nationalized and made available through not for profit organizations who pay their employees liberally.

Those that come up with something useful could be given a healthy one time payment in return for their innovation but we should never allow them and their children’s children to profit from it forever. That idea in and of itself does more to stall innovation more than anything due to protective behaviors designed to protect the profits of a previous innovation.

So with all this said and considered, I believe your theory that innovation in increased internet access can only be had through the dissolution of net neutrality regulation to be false.

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