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Evil and Me


Gregory Benford
Gregory Benford
50 Voices of Disbelief

Posted: Nov 22, 2009

It all started with experience, as most philosophical positions should. What’s an idea worth if it cannot withstand the rub of the real?

My mother taught English and my father taught agriculture in Robertsdale High in southern Alabama. Except for his three years of fighting in The War. My twin brother and I were born in 1941 and sensed that he was gone, and only when he returned in August 1945 did the reason why he went dawn on us.

I recall a big party with much celebration, and I asked my father in the 1980s what that had been about. I expected that he would say it was for his return. But he told me it was because the bomb had been dropped on Hiroshima and everyone knew he wouldn’t have to go to Japan for the invasion. Many had died, but in Robertsdale there was a party. Life was like that. It always had been.

He was a forward observer in field artillery, fighting across France, the Bulge, and through Germany to Austria. I believe he was the only beginning forward observer in his battalion to survive the war, and suspect that his farm-boy field smarts made the difference. In 1945 he returned to teaching, developing an agriculture training program for the whole state. Then in 1948 the Cold War called him with a Regular Army appointment, which he seized as a way up into a world he had glimpsed in the war. We went with him, first to his training post in Oklahoma at Fort Sill (where in 1967 he retired as commandant), then to Japan for 1949–51. Into the world beyond blissful America.

My father served on MacArthur’s general staff, and we saw the whole range of Japanese life, hard and strange, with communists rioting in the streets and farmers working the rice paddies only miles away, in a fashion unchanged by millennia. With my brother, I lay in bed at night in our compound housing and listened to marines firing at communists trying to get inside. One morning we sneaked out of our house before dawn and watched the Marines pull bodies out of the rice paddies. I realized that the world was a lot bigger and tougher and darker than sunny Alabama knew.

As the Cold War deepened, its chill winds blew the Benfords to Atlanta in 1952, then Germany in 1954, where I saw the colossal damage wrought by the Big One, the greatest of all wars, and the suffering that had followed. That shocked me, coming out of my Episcopal upbringing. Both of my parents had firm religious faith. My brother and I were acolytes in the church and confirmed in formal ceremony in 1954. But my experience in devastated lands meant that more and more I thought about theodicy, or the problem of evil—if God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omni-benevolent, then why do bad things happen to good people?

This is the “hellmouth” that can suddenly open before you, for no reason. There are three classical answers: we don’t understand what God’s justice is, and maybe it’s a lesson; or maybe we sinned without knowing it, and so are punished; or perhaps true mercy is beyond human conception.

There’s a crucial scene in Kingsley Amis’s novel The Green Man that captures these issues. The devil appears to a man taking a bath and simply says that humans don’t understand the real issues at all. If God doesn’t halt suffering, he is cruel, and if he can’t he is weak. But maybe the game between God and evil is just more complex than we can fathom. Maybe Christ suffered on the cross to no end; maybe he, too, was deluded into thinking it would do any good to man.

Then there’s the free will argument. To be free we must be able to commit error, and from that comes pain. The Bible is full of godly interventions, though, mostly to shield the Jews or murder their enemies. But—why has that stopped in the face of endless persecution, pogroms, and the Nazi Holocaust? (A televangelist argued recently that the Holocaust was God’s way of getting the Jews back to Israel.) Christianity needs heaven to explain evil and make up for it, but can anyone believe such pain will be made okay at the End Time?

And what could heaven be like? Either it’s a place where we cannot sin (no free will) or we don’t want to sin.

But my teenage self couldn’t buy that. If heaven makes up for suffering, why wait? Why not make us suitable godly companions right now—angels, as it were? This idea bothered me a lot when I was younger. If heaven allowed continuity between our mortal selves and our states in heaven, why was heaven free of sin? Was it without free will? I read Dostoyevsky and found he had the same worry, expressed powerfully in The Dream of a Ridiculous Man.

I came to the conclusion that either God is impotent or evil, or he’s simply nonexistent.

There the issue rested until the 1990s. If nothing else, the reality of death and the experience of losing loved ones punctures even the most gratifying and well-ordered life. My wife died in 2002. I collapsed two days after her death and left many of the details of her memorial service to our children.

Days later, coming out from an errand onto the street in Laguna Beach around noon, I looked up at our house and mused about Joan’s schedule, where she would be, calculating if we could meet for lunch—and suddenly saw that she was nowhere now, not in this universe any more. In such moments the enormity of our lives hammers home. I realized the emotional conclusion of my loss of faith.

Life kept hammering. Three months later my father died. My mother’s faith carried her through. A few months later, as I walked with her through Fairhope, Alabama where I grew up, we met an old family friend who had not heard the news. He asked how my father was. “Oh, he’s in heaven,” my mother said in a lively voice. But I could hear something darker under it. In two more years she was gone, as well. Indeed, she deliberately ignored an infection, refusing to take the antibiotic her doctor prescribed, and died within a week of sepsis. I believe she wanted to join my father.

Every religion with an afterlife theory has something that survives death or is resurrected—and that gets interpreted as the essence of what it means to be human. Often the strength of faith seems shaky, so you believe you must have the One True Religion to which others must convert or go to hell.

But indifference, not doubt, is the greater adversary of faith. The Europeans are in that slow retreat of the “Sea of Faith” whose ebb Matthew Arnold lamented in Dover Beach.

As I became a scientist, I learned ways of accounting for how strong religion is among us. Through multilevel or group-level selection, evolution has given us the many essential genes that benefit the group at the individual’s expense. Some are essential to a social species—genes that underlie generosity, moral constraints, and, plausibly, religious behavior. Such traits are difficult to account for, though not impossible, on the view that natural selection favors only behaviors that help the individual to survive and leave more children.

So I now believe that evil isn’t a problem to be solved. It’s just a feature of our world. Perhaps many people cannot live meaningful lives without God. But I’m happy to, now. The universe is a dark and tragic place. Our experience of it makes more sense without the complication of a God who supposedly loves us.

This is third of three essays we have excerpted from 50 Voices of Disbelief: Why We Are Atheists (Wiley-Blackwell, 2009), edited by Udo Schuklenk and IEET Fellow Russell Blackford. Our thanks to the publisher, the editors, and the selected authors for permission to post their pieces here.


Gregory Benford is an astrophysicist and science fiction writer. He is a Professor of Physics at the University of California, Irvine. His fiction has won many awards, including a Nebula Award for his novel Timescape.
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I appreciate Mr. Benford's thoughtful words.

"The Bible is full of godly interventions, though, mostly to shield the Jews or murder their enemies. But—why has that stopped in the face of endless persecution, pogroms, and the Nazi Holocaust?"

It's a good question, but the force is somewhat diminished by the fact that the Bible itself provides an answer to this question, right there near the end of Leviticus and again near the end of Deuteronomy. Disagree with the answer if you wish, but it's answer is in there.

"Every religion with an afterlife theory has something that survives death or is resurrected—and that gets interpreted as the essence of what it means to be human. Often the strength of faith seems shaky, so you believe you must have the One True Religion to which others must convert or go to hell."

This paragraph is potentially misleading, if one connects the two sentences. It is not the case that every religion teaches that 'you must have the One True Religion to which others must convert or go to hell.' And I'm speaking /specifically/ of one religion in particular that /does/ have an afterlife theory.



"So I now believe that evil isn’t a problem to be solved."

This sentence could be taken completely the wrong way, especially when looked at out of context. Surely it is meant in the restricted Problem of Evil sense, and the author would want to leave the world a better place and thwart nasty people if possible just as much as I do.



Abraham, would you please quote the sections of Leviticus and Deuteronomy that answer the question of why godly interventions have stopped?



Lev 26 and Deut 28
Perhaps it doesn't answer the question "why godly interventions have stopped" but why such tragedies like why God might let a holocaust happen.



Mr. Benford speaks from his heart and like a lot of us who where brought up in at least a semi-religious family and culture, tried in good faith, to get his answers from religion, the bible and God.

Alas, his search for answers was doomed from the beginning, as religion, the Bible and God do not have any answers, just raise more questions.

It is unfortunate that it has taken him so long to come to grips and accept his Atheism, but this speaks to the true insidious impact of religion on society. Those who take comfort in the arms of religion have consciously turned their brains off, and those of us who follow Adam's path of wanting to eat from the tree of knowledge are told we are sinners for questioning at all. The pursuit of knowledge is one of the most noblest pursuits of all.

Richard Dawkins is quite right in saying childhood indoctrination into religion is a form of child abuse, and like other forms of abuse, the effects don't show up until later in life.

It's time we start holding religious leaders accountable.



Friendly Atheist writes: "Alas, his search for answers was doomed from the beginning, as religion, the Bible and God do not have any answers, just raise more questions."

To which questions do they not have any answers? I think some /truly/ friendly atheists would admit they have answers to /some/ things.

"and those of us who follow Adam's path of wanting to eat from the tree of knowledge are told we are sinners for questioning at all."

www.thefreedictionary.com/Overgeneralization



Leviticus 26:
So God let the holocaust happen to innocent children because their parents didn't respect his wishes? What a dick.



Like I said, Tony, "Disagree with the answer if you wish but it's answer is in there." Actually, it would be better to disagree with an interpretation that wasn't as rash as yours.



No, Abraham, the bible supplies no answers. It supplies the immorality of xenophobia, slavery, murder, elitism, misogyny. Where it tries to answer real issues, it fails miserably.

The bible and the Koran are really disgusting documents that are poorly written.



Thanks for your unbiased input.



That's not really fair, Abraham. All of us, including yourself, approach these personal subjects with a certain bias. Mine happens to be toward rationality and humanism -- which are seldom, if ever, found in the Abrahamic scriptures.



Abraham writes: "Perhaps it doesn't answer the question "why godly interventions have stopped" but why such tragedies like why God might let a holocaust happen."

It might give a rationalisation, but ultimately if you follow that line the answer you're giving is that God is evil: allowing suffering on a massive scale for the pettiest, most selfish, most self-serving of reasons.



True, I'm biased. But I didn't even offer my opinion on the Bible. All I set out to do was to show that there was an answer in the Bible to the question that Mr. Benford implied wasn't in there. I really didn't want to get into any Biblical debates.



Thanks, dsainty, but you're just repeating what Tony said, only nicer.
(These last two comments of mine are out of order because dsainty's wasn't up yet when I wrote the first one.)



The point that cannot be answered by your blind recourse to religion, is that the behaviour of your God in a human being would lead to a trial for war crimes, mass murder, slavery, etc.

What you are basically saying is that if these things are demanded or committed by God then they are morally OK because God did it.
You do not act in these ways, you would have been locked up or executed...clearly you are cherry picking which parts of the Bible can be followed based on a separate modern morality. I can't see where in the Bible there is a guide to which parts to take literally and which to take allegorically. So you follow the parts you are comfortable with, which hardly sounds like being faithful to the true word of your God.
No, sorry, I don't care how omniscient a being is, even if it exists, I would not kill a child for it, as was requested in the story about Jephthah. That's the one where in order to get Gods support for a tribal massacre, Jephthah ends up killing his own daughter to appease God. What exactly is this an allegory for, if you want to take it down that route?
And if The New Testament supersedes the Old, why does anyone have to bother with the Old testament. Did God have a change of heart and decide to be more humane?



"your blind recourse to religion"

You make it too easy for readers to stop reading the rest of your post after that blindly-stated claim.



Abraham,

Do you agree that "evil" is a fair description of the God depicted in the chapter and verse you reference?



That suits me fine Abraham, as we both know that you can never change your mind about this, due to the nature of faith.

Any reasoned challenge to your beliefs will simply be taken as a "test of faith" and therefore reinforce your beliefs whether they are valid or not. that is why faith has its danger. The religious can never relinquish the core of it even if it means committing an atrocity or perpetrating a prejudice they can justify through whatever scripture supports their claim.



"That suits me fine Abraham, as we both know that you can never change your mind about this, due to the nature of faith. "

According to this, there is no such thing as an atheist who is an ex-Christian (or any other faith), or a Christian (or any other faith) who is an ex-atheist. Pardon me if I express my skepticism, UnapologeticSkeptic.



dsainty, I'm not interested in getting into a theological debate here, so I'll just agree with you. Yes, "evil" is a fair description of the God depicted in the chapter I reference, on the surface.



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