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Institutional Longevity


Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
Charlie's Diary

Posted: Jul 27, 2009

Over on Hacker News, GraffitiTim points out something interesting: “The first civilization started in Mesopotamia around 5000 BCE (more or less), which is 7,000 years ago. If you live until age 80, that’s more than 1% of the history of civilization.” So you can expect to live for more than 1% of the life span of human civilization to this date.

Of course, human permanent settlements have existed for at least 9,500 years. Evidence for human cultural activities appears around 75,000 to 80,000 years ago in the archaeological record; our species of hominid appears to have originated around 200,000 years ago. So the “1% of the history of civilization” idea depends intimately on the assumption that civilization is the only interesting thing about humanity.

But it has me thinking about permanence. We are very bad at building institutions that outlive us. A few have lasted for over a millenium — the Catholic church, Japanese royal family, Roman empire, Pharaonic system in Egypt ... probably a handful of banks, businesses, and universities. But I feel reasonably confident in saying that there’s no direct continuity between early Mesopotamian civilization and our contemporary cultures, other than the most abstract idea of a rule of law, hierarchical authority structures, society based on class divisions, and government abstracted from the individual by bureacratic institutions.

Now: what happens if, in the next 50 years, we learn how to control the human aging process so that we can live long, healthy lives? What sort of institutions are required for a society with indefinite prolongation of physical (possibly also mental) youth?

Senescence is a ghastly illness which, even in the absence of secondary ailments (such as coronary heart disease or cancer) amounts to a sentence of death by torture over a 30-50 year period. Interestingly, it doesn’t appear to have one single cause; rather, it’s the emergent consequence of a bunch of metabolic malfunctions that emerge slowly, only after the carrier has passed reproductive age (and presumably passed the faulty genes on down the line to subsequent generations).

I’ll note in passing that control of the bunch of biological malfunctions collectively known as “aging” doesn’t imply immortality; accidents, violence, and suicide suggest that a median life expectancy of around 600 years would emerge, and that presupposes that other processes don’t kill us first. (For example, we have no idea how human cognitive processes would change if life was prolonged beyond the current extreme of around 125 years.)

But consider this: democratic societies are made tolerable by the generational change of political incumbents — even without term limits, sooner or later the old guard bows out, to be replaced by fresh blood. So too are unelected institutions; public intellectuals, tenured professors, and judges all eventually retire from the public sphere.

Some people believe (or appear to believe) that the abolition of ageing would be an unalloyed blight on the human condition; I disagree strongly. However, it’s very clear that our social and political structures aren’t suited to life on a longer time-span.Try to imagine any cultural activity you are indifferent or hostile to but which is unaccountably popular, persisting deathless down the centuries because its supporters are also long-lived.

What is to be done?

Obligatory background reading: Back to Methuselah by George Bernard Shaw.

 


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“But I feel reasonably confident in saying that there’s no direct continuity between early Mesopotamian civilization and our contemporary cultures, other than the most abstract idea of a rule of law, hierarchical authority structures, society based on class divisions, and government abstracted from the individual by bureacratic institutions.”

Take away the Temple rituals and the laws that require a Sanhedrin, and I think you’ll find a very solid continuity between one particular early Mesopotamian civilization (i.e. the Israelites) and a segment of the Jewish people today. I’m curious if you forgot about them, or indeed had them in mind and rejected it.





Actually that used to be the case, if you look at authoritarianism and ‘vegetative intranscience’ through the ages. Most institutions expend an extraordinary amount of energy on forcibly retaining qualities. It takes effort for the catholic church to stay this way!

You discount anything that happened more recenty, such as internet. With the current corrosive effects of mass-media (and I suppose that started with TV and radio) not just change becomes a fixture, but also retention of memes. Before 1900 books had to do to convey information to the future, and I could argue they did a meagre job. Even if nothing else changed, multicentenarians would have to contend with being reminded just “what ghastlty clothes” they wore in the 2030s.

The catholics, or oxford, HAD to near autoflagellate to retain their memes - we don’t. We aren’t years removed to develop wearable, highly robust, highly accessible, energy neutral devices that record everything, in HD and HDR, 360 degrees, 24/7/365, including the snoring. An Interaction design allowing gesticular retrieval of sights, spoken word, sound bytes (can you imagine a world where everyone can play sound samples at wil?), symbols, perceived texts (with such a recording device, people walk in a bookstore, leaf through the pages of war and peace recording every page in just under 3 minutes, head out to the coffee shop and have their TTS software read it to them with Freya’s voice).

Even without software that can reflect, even without advanced we may very well anticipate, the access to selfscrutiny by technology users will haunt us forever. We will be like a Pak Protector realizing at some stage “holy &$# i was dumb back then”.





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