Humans have evolved a built-in sense of morality that gives most of us a feeling of what’s “right” and what’s “wrong” without the need for external input, whether from religious texts and teachings, or from a new humanist moral construct. We are on safe ground trusting in the general goodness of humanity and allowing secular democratic societies to determine norms without any guidance from supernatural sources nor even from a secular canon.
Tim is of the opinion that “finding a secular morality that can replace religion as our moral and values compass in the modern world” is an important task for the current generation. Indeed, he calls it the Great Quest:
The greatest philosophical endeavour of this century will be to find a workable, rational, scientifically-compatible moral and values system that doesn’t evoke the supernatural and can serve as a replacement for religion in our society.
I’m not yet convinced that this is even a useful endeavor, let alone the supreme philosophical challenge of the 21st century. Of course, I’m not a trained philosopher, but on the other hand, I am someone whose job it is to think about the moral, ethical, and social issues raised by emerging technologies.
Several readers who have left comments on Tim’s article seem to agree with me that there is no great need to develop a “secular morality” to replace the various religious moral modalities that have governed human civilization for the last seven thousand years or so. Not that we see any particular problem with leaving religion behind—high time for that, in my opinion—but to seek for an equally orthodox substitute seems simply like replacing an old car with a new one, instead of looking for an alternative, sustainable means of transportation.
Is a canonical morality necessary? Would humankind, left to their own devices, soon succumb to our basest natural urges, in a global version of Lord of the Flies?
I personally think humans have evolved a built-in sense of morality that gives most of us a feeling of what’s “right” and what’s “wrong” without the need for external input, whether from religious texts and teachings, or from some new non-supernatural moral construct. Obviously that innate morality gauge can be influenced or overridden by external circumstances such as upbringing, social pressure, etc. It’s necessary to protect and preserve that spark of conscience that evolution has given us, which is one of the many reasons I’m so opposed to childhood religious indoctrination: sometimes it is benign, but too often it subverts a child’s natural instincts toward curiosity about the world and, in its place, instills a predetermined us vs. them morality and a fear of the other.
I believe we are on safe ground trusting in the general goodness of humanity and allowing secular democratic societies to determine norms without any guidance from supernatural sources nor even from a secular canon. That was, if I am not mistaken, precisely the view of the men (and women, advising them) who founded the first modern democratic republic, here in America.
Before closing, let’s give Tim one more chance to make his point:
The kind of secular morality I’m talking about is a fully fledged moral system, covering what’s permissible and impermissible, but also serving the role that religion has played in society for millennia.
It would have shared customs and traditions; it would bring people together as a community; it would perform charity work; it would encourage people to give of themselves to their community and those in need; it would educate people in how to live a good life and how to get through difficult times (e.g., divorces and deaths in the family are a major cause for non-religious individuals to turn to religion); it would inspire awe in the natural world, etc.
That’s how I envisage it, although I leave open many other interpretations of the specifics. But it must be as psychologically fulfilling as religion—just without the supernatural bits.
What do you think? Can we get along without a canonical secular morality?
Mike Treder is the Managing Director of the IEET, and former Executive Director of the non-profit Center for Responsible Nanotechnology.
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Not all spiritual people follow a religion but one thing is for sure, almost all spiritual people have one thing in common, and that is a deep respect for sentient life, something that is obviously missing in those who have no spiritual beliefs. It appears to me that this is a ploy to lower the value of human life to a point where atheist biologists can do just as they please. If morals get in the way then change to moral system as it were. People who are not spiritual, have no concept of what spiritual means. If you think that we are no more than a programmed machine made of meat, then surely that is the way that you will treat other people and indeed, all life forms. Where is the morality in that? What lies at the end of this road? Something far worse than any religion has ever imposed upon mankind. Have we become so arrogant that a few can decide what is morally right for us?
If all that is left is to worship the world then we are all expendable.
Perhaps I can teach you some universal morality that is beneficial for all mankind?
William
www.love-themeaningoflife.com
Ironically, William Hodgetts' comments seek to dehumanize people who don't have "spiritual beliefs," claiming they have no morals. It appears to me that this is a ploy to lower the value of human life to a point where people without "spiritual beliefs" can be mistreated by the likes of Mr. Hodgetts.
Actually, William, you couldn't be more wrong. Traditional Western spirituality was based in Christianity, which never had a deep respect for sentient, non-human life. Quite the contrary, it taught that non-human life was there for non-human use. That's changed a bit just lately, but it's just wrong to think that spiritual people have such a thing in common. Moreover, many people who are not spiritual (in any non-trivial sense) have far more respect for non-sentient human life than has been typical in Western "spiritual" tradition. Think of Peter Singer, Richard Dawkins, E.O. Wilson, etc., etc.
Hi Brian
You need spiritual awareness to have spiritual beliefs. Those who believe that they are no more than a programmed, biological machine, will naturally treat other life in that respect. All like is equal in value, and that value is greater than the worth of the place it resides in.
Spirituality is the science of sentience. When love is considered in the absence of fear and ego perhaps there will be less self righteous predators in the world. Perhaps then people will look for understanding rather than vengeance.
Please don’t make the mistake of sticking me in a box along with spiritually deluded people, I am far too logical for that.
Love and peace
William
Hi Russell,
It may surprise you, but I actually agree with some of what you’re saying and I would be the first to say that Christianity and Islam, for instance have done an incredible amount of damage to man’s search for truth. They will eventually fall in the face of logic. These religions only serve to cause conflict and the denial of questioning and to be honest, I feel quite embarrassed when listening to some of the spiritual garbage that is being touted around.
Being in the middle, between religion and atheism is like being between a rock and a hard place. I guess atheists have the advantage because they question and have seen the absurdity of man made gods. The shame is that most have been pushed too far, and have stopped questioning spirituality.
I love science, but what disturbs me is that far too much of its discoveries have been weaponised. People don’t need to believe in a god, they just have to become ‘self’ realised and understand that we all need to find a way to end the conflict that is destroying the quality of life that we are all entitled to. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water, and let’s not end our questioning where it suits us, let us not fear what we may find.
An open mind is a clear path to truth.
Love and peace
William
Lynn Carroll • United States of America • Mar 30, 2009
It sounds like Tim Dean is longing for a Star Trek-like morality where various aliens live together based on some vague, agreed-upon secular moral code. But that's Hollywood. Absent religion, 'something' will fill the vacuum, and that something is idolatry. Stalin, Mao Tse Chung, and Castro all shunned religion as a disruptive influence on society. Human nature being the sorry state it's always been will demand a ruler who will judge them, who will fight their wars, and who will make decisions for them. Who will decide how mankind should behave? Not the people, they don't want the responsibility. Not the king or elected ruler, there is no way to appeal to everyone's ideals...unless the king's morality is forced upon the people and that leads to unrest and possible bloodshed.
Religion has served the purpose as a moral compass for the majority of mankind for thousands of years. I see no reason to change now.
The Bible says, "There is a way which seems right unto man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." It also says that "The heart of man is desperately wicked, who can know it?" It also says that in the last days there would be "many false teachers who walk after their own lusts and deceive many." "There is none righteous, no not one." Any writer who advocates the goodness of man rather than recognizing mans total depravity is setting his fellow man up for the biggest fall of them all.
I have a question for you. Without using speculation, theory or conjecture please tell me where mankind comes from and why mankind exists. Keep in mind the fact that neither Newton or Einstein could answer this but perhaps in the bosom of your human arrogance you can do the one thing that "man" can't do.....explain where he comes from and why. Let me also reveal a relevant fact to you....it is not whether or not Jesus Christ existed and the resurrection happened.....you just hope that they didn't....because if they didn't you can pursue whatever fancies you. But if those did exist....you have a choice to make. Just remember this....you choice will be eternal....and that is another thing that science can't explain. I guess we should just all aimlessly pontificate about the possibilities and ramifications of "what if" until man extinguishes itself. You want to know what Hell is? It is existing without truth. No Jesus...No truth. A simple carpenter, fisherman and tent maker brought the world to its knees......how do you explain that? You better keep hoping they were wrong or indignantly devious....otherwise you will have rolled snake eyes when the reaper comes calling.
Let me say up front, with all respect, I'm not in the slightest bit interested in trying to convince individuals steeped in religious dogma about the importance of secular morality. Their religious arguments have all been thoroughly debunked many times over, yet they're not convinced because they're not engaged in rational argument. They're not the ones I'm trying to engage with this notion of secular morality.
To address a couple of direct questions:
@Lynn Carroll
Yes religion has served as the moral compass for thousands of years, but we can't afford to let this continue. Thousands of years ago, living a tribal existence, religion served as a useful tool to encourage pro-sociality.
Today, however, it's more of a burden than a boon. Its reliance on the supernatural and faith means it is at odds with our best understanding of how the world really is. Questions like overpopulation, resource consumption, genetic engineering and many others are well beyond religion to answer in an informed way. Just look at the Pope's recent comments on condoms and HIV. He used faith and dogma to answer what is essentially an empirical question: how can we best reduce suffering. And he got the answer wrong by any empirical measure.
The secular morality I'm proposing isn't Star Trek. It's not Mao or Stalin. They denied crucial aspects of human psychology. A new secular morality would embrace all natural facts and weave them in. How? Well, that needs to be discussed - hence my call to arms, if you can call it that.
@ Padraig
I don't need to speculate to present our best understanding of mankind's origins. It started with the Big Bang. Our galaxy, solar system and planet formed. Life spontaneously started through chemical processes (although the exact chemical process is still unknown). Life changed, steered by natural selection. And here we are.
There are gaps in this story, but none that present show stoppers to the story itself. And if new evidence comes to light, and the story changes, I'll change my telling of it (unlike the story told by religious adherents, which doesn't change with the discovery of new evidence to the contrary).
As for 'why'? That question is fallacious. It begs the question. It assumes there is a 'why' to begin with. It's like asking 'how long is a piece of string'.
But I don't deny the human psychological need to ask the question. And I don't deny the human psychological need to look beyond oneself to something bigger. I just deny that wishful thinking and appealing to the fictitious is the answer. And if it isn't, then we'd better find an answer: hence, secular morality.
If you don't believe in God as the creator, then you are not truly scientific. All you are is someone who has blocked out the primary evidence of creation that exists all around you so that you can live in ignorance and speculation while catering to your own pride and sinful desires. The greatest scientist in history were men who knew God and received Gods wisdom in order to understand the universe that God created.
Tim Dean, by your own admission, you have no clue how the universe began and you really don't care beyond the point of making an argument against the existence of a supreme being and law to which you are held accountable. There is no such thing as secular morality. Man left to himself is not basically good. Adolf and a thousand wars before and after have proven that man is in fact a brutal killer of his fellow man. In fact he kills innocent people who are weaker by declaring them unfit to live and then calls it natural selection in order to deceive himself into believing that there is no God to whom he will someday give an account for his actions. We have 6000 years of recorded history since God created the world and can even give family names and lineages right up to the creation of the first man, Adam. And we have solid artifacts to prove it. We didn't just find a monkeys hip in Africa and match it to a mastadons lip in Antarctica and call it a prehistoric dinasour.
You on the other hand have not one shred of evidence for evolution and cannot even tell us what was going on in time and space 7000 years ago and yet you expect us to believe somehow that you know what happened in the universe 50 billion, or is it 50 trillion years ago. Your units of missing history recollections are worse than Obama's budget bailout plan numbers. You are totally unaccountable and without concern. You actually expect us to believe that a piece of unaccounted for slime just appeared one day out of nowhere and by osmosis rose up out of an uncreated body of water to crawl, fly and walk uprightly over time while ignoring the second law of thermodynamics which says that the universe is winding down, deteriorating and devolving into weaker and lower forms of life. But you in your genius and self-admiration want us to ignore scientific facts and throw our brains in the trash can upon entering the school house so that you can push your pagan religion of self-centered godlessness on an unsuspecting generation of young minds. I guess next you are going to tell us that you were better than the rest of the monkeys and that's why you can use a computer and they are still at the zoo.
To Jay and others who wish to argue from a "faith" perspective:
Our blog is written mainly for those who are interested in reading about and discussing the social implications of scientific and technological progress. IEET aims to contribute to the understanding of the impact of emerging technologies on individuals and societies, and to help shape public policies that distribute the benefits and reduce the risks of technological advancement.
We are always willing to consider input from people who feel they have something useful to contribute to our understanding, as long as what they say is delivered with respect -- not rudely -- and as long as their comments indicate actual serious thinking about these subjects, and not just regurgitated right-wing fundamentalist nonsense.
This is a moderated blog. We decide which comments to approve and which to delete. Normally, the comment just above from Jay would have been deleted. But I approved it to use as an example of what we routinely will reject.
Again, if you have something to say that you think makes a useful contribution to our discussions about the ethics of emerging technologies, we're open to hearing from you, even if you don't agree with our positions. However - if your opinions are not carefully reasoned and constructively posed, they will be deleted.
Lynn Carroll • United States of America • Mar 31, 2009
Society as it exists today cannot even hope to agree on a morals and ethics code by which to live. For one thing, science changes constantly, it is not static and cannot be used as a basis for living one's life in the long run. As for basing society on natural facts, we cannot agree that there is no such thing as the supernatural. To deny the supernatural in the face of modern evidence is to ignore a part of life that cannot be denied.
When it comes to natural facts, are you suggesting that we live under Darwinistic natural selection? Nature is fine for nature, but is totally inadequate for humans. We are not animals.
Empirical evidence shows that producing evidence of facts to 10 people, they will not come to the same conclusion. To me, this implies that rules to live by based on natural facts will have to be imposed upon people. The mere act of imposing something of this importance on people will cause a significant number of them to rebel against anyone telling them how they should live their lives.
There are other sides to human nature to consider. Most people are followers and will willingly, even insist, that a leader take over the responsibilities of judging them and of providing for their safety. Modern society shows that there are great numbers of people who do not even bother to vote in elections; they would rather leave it to some else. Again, the implications of this is that they would rather not be bothered with the selection process of their leaders and would presumably be happier if they had a king for life to see to their welfare.
The problem with this is -- although a good king may come along every so often -- history shows that most societies have suffered greatly under bad kings. To make matters worse, kingdoms require an elite society of royalty to support the king and keep the people under control.
Finally, a society such as ours is under the protection of a constitution based on the belief of a power that is greater than we humans. John Adams believed our Constitution would not be suitable to a secular society. So if we are to create a new set of rules to live by, based on scientific facts alone, we would have to deep-six the Constitution and start all over. I'm pretty sure that would be a bad move.
Both established religion and science are supposed to be for the benefit of life itself and yet in both camps, we can find adverse effects on life. It is for this reason we must choose a moral code from a neutral standpoint. Everything that a sentient being does is ultimately done for itself. Established religion has taken full advantage of this for far too long and there has been far too much self interest by groups of individuals who have controlled science for self profit, regardless of the effects on life.
I’m considering a set of morals that can be accepted by all, the only thing that needs to be considered is the quality of life for all sentient beings. Morals should not discriminate against the less fortunate, but rather they should lead to an improvement of their condition. We must agree on a set of morals that end the misuse of science and psychology (soul science). At the end of the day, it’s all about enjoying life, feeling good and not living in fear. Most of us still know the difference between right and wrong and we must go into the future together as one or there will be no future. My security and pleasure are dependent on your security and pleasure. If we stand as individuals we each stand alone. What then is anything worth?
Love and peace
William
Hi Lynn. I think you may have misunderstood the intention of my call for secular morality - or I didn't articulate it clearly enough.
First, I'm not suggesting there is One True Morality that we can discover using science alone. And secondly, I'm absolutely not suggesting any secular morality would be imposed on anyone.
What I am saying is that we need to develop the concept of secular morality using our best tools - philosophy, reason and empirical investigation - not religion, the supernatural and faith.
What the individual moralities that emerge from this venture will look like, I don't know. There could be many different moral systems that emerge, and they might appeal to different people/cultures. Or we might find a core of morality that is acceptable to all but that varies on some details. Or we might find a spectrum of values that are added to the same pool of natural facts, which leads to various moral judgements given the same situation. I don't yet know.
And I disagree that we're not animals. We are absolutely animals. Unique in several of our capacities, but animals none the less.
And I'm also not suggesting we live under natural selection - at least not in a trivial sense, i.e. I'm not suggesting a morality based on a loose notion of 'survival of the fittest'.
But the latest science suggests that our moral faculty is a product of evolution. Thus, any moral system that is the product of that moral faculty is, in some important sense, a product of natural selection. However, I think that's a tangential notion, and not one that should impact any secular moralities that are developed.
@Tim @Mike see what happens when you try to talk about morality in general terms?
Luckily, Mike is right: people generally treat each other well, regardless of moral beliefs. But don't underestimate the conflict humanity will experience as new technologies emerge; technologies that are exceptionally attractive but that require us to fully abandon many 'deeply held values'.
Hi Tim, Well, you are quite correct, we are animals in the physiological sense, but we are too dependent upon oil which is the basis of all civilized life on earth to live like animals.
As to your theory of basing morality on philosophy, reason, and empirical investigation, I believe we would have to assume that all peoples will voluntarily divest themselves of all prejudices, presuppositions, customs and mores. Everyone would have to agree to be blind to, and ignore the true nature of man (which is his propensity for greed), and would be able to open their minds to think beyond the present moment; the present day. With all our human foibles and with all our human intelligence and sophistication, we cannot change the fact that history does indeed repeat itself.
It is history that shows us that humans are incapable of reasoned logical thought when it comes their survival. And there will be times when things get so bad, that it comes down to a matter of survival. At those times, all bets are off. Because human events historically occur in a cyclical manner, from feast to famine, humans would have to be able to rely on a well-ingrained pattern of behavior to survive.
To accomplish this level of automatic behavior, these rules of behavior would have to be few and easy to remember. They would have to be repeated daily in our schools and places of work so that they become almost like an instinct. Examples of this are the Boy and Girl Scout codes of conduct, the military code of conduct while on guard duty, etc.
When I was a younger man, I often thought as you do; that a more modern, up-to-date code of behavior would cure the ills of the world (one of which was the fear of obliteration by a Russian H-Bomb at any moment). But, alas, who would determine those standards? Is there a world body that could take on such a task? Certainly not the UN, and if we were to establish such a body of world representatives to draw up a global standard of morality, it would most likely end up in a squabble over who's ethics are superior.
Personally, I don't think the world is ready for a global secular code of ethics and morals, and it would take nothing less than a worldwide effort, else one nation's morals would be seen either as inferior to or superior to another's and we're right back in the soup.
Hi Lynn. I understand what you're saying, but I don't share your pessimism and fatalism.
I agree that greed, self-interest, aggression etc are part of our nature. But so too are compassion, altruism and egalitarianism. They work in tension, although our behaviour can be steered by external principles.
That's what religion has done for millennia - steering behaviour towards cooperation rather than self-interest. And that's what I'm suggesting secular morality can do as well.
I don't think the world needs to agree on which secular morality is correct. Nor would a single secular morality be mandated in a top-down way. There could be a core of values that are shared, and others that vary by culture. It could work much in the same way as religion, in a bottom-up way. Many may be created, and people can follow whichever one they like.
As for how to spread the word and encourage people to be faithful to the morality - I don't yet know how that'll work, but I'm not entirely pessimistic about it, nor do I subscribe to the ideas of Leo Strauss and his 'noble lie'.
You may be right that the world is not ready for a secular morality. But I don't think the world can afford to wait until it's ready. Thinkers should start working on the problem now, and at least have a go at providing some moral system (or several) that can deal with the vast personal and global dilemmas that face us now and in the future.
We will need to allow for some moral diversity not only between cultures but also within them. I think it's inevitable for the foreseeable future that there will be disputation about a range of moral issues. To a considerable extent, liberal democratic societies can accommodate this. For example, some people may still think that sex outside of marriage is a "sin" and live their lives accordingly. Others may reject any such claim. Some may even be sexually promiscuous. A liberal democratic society can accommodate people living in different ways, based on their differing moral beliefs, as long as there are core values such as honesty and non-violence.
One great improvement would be if more people either abandoned religious belief or at least put far less weight on it. A problem with many religions is that they are entangled with moral ideas that do not make any rational sense under modern circumstances, and may never have made much rational sense - rather, they were bound up with primitive ideas of "purity", primitive ideas of natural necessity, etc. For example, there is no rational basis for the taboo against homosexuality.
Once people abandon religion, or give it less weight in their lives, they are able to converge on a great deal of moral agreement, because they tend to think about what are rational ways to avoid suffering and to allow people to flourish as individuals, rather than worrying about ancient taboos. People who have rejected religion tend to be tolerant, peaceable, and compassionate, without being blinded by irrational feelings that certain kinds of things "must" be morally bad because of the commands of a god or the content of a holy book, or traditional perceptions of what is "natural".
I doubt that we'll ever be able to eliminate religion entirely, and I doubt that it would even be a good thing to try. But we can definitely problematize it, challenge it, seek to downgrade its social status, remove the free pass that religious leaders are given to comment (more than the rest of us) on social and political issues. They can retain their freedom of speech, just like the rest of us, but should have no special access to the media, and should receive no special deference to their opinions.
I think one of the most valuable things we can do right now is simply work to show the general public how dubious the claims of religion really are, and that religious leaders are poorly qualified to be moral leaders. That will go a long way towards freeing democratic societies, at least, to engage in more reason-based deliberations about policy issues.
I don't even see a new, specific morality as necessary. Most issues become fairly clear once religion is out of the picture; e.g., almost no one sees homosexual conduct as morally wrong once they give up on religion as a source of moral knowledge. Religion is actually an impediment to morality, not something that assists it.
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